Deliberating About Discipleship

“Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. 33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.”

Luke 14:31-33, ESV


This is deep thinking, and a critical analysis gives us a behind-the-scenes of what happens when kings (and armies) go to war against each other.  They count.  They try to accurately fix the hearts of their soldiers.  Their bravado is left in a speech from their balcony.  It is now the time to back off, and deliberate carefully.  There must be admissions of weakness.  Can we really fight and win this war?

Jesus brings us to the same point.  The question is definitely presented; can you really “pull this off?”  When we try to analyze this from a Godly perspective, we will end up determining our own weaknesses and flaws that no one knows about except us (and God.)  Often, understanding fully our personal issues, we will try to courageously try to fight, even though the battle in our own hearts has not really been resolved. 

We may have a deep and intense battle with our own personal lust, or pride, or of greed–but haven’t come to an understanding of freedom.  We really want to claim it, even though we haven’t seen it.  volitionally we agree, but practically we stumble, over and over.  We cry out, “I want to be real!”

The Word tells us that we are to be very deliberate about our discipleship.  So many are trying very hard to be disciples when they have a great issue with a personal holiness that would re-route this .  Simply put, there can be no victory, unless we are going to be obedient.  Jesus intends that we will become holy, because he has asked us to be.

The 33rd verse is very significant.  The definite issue is “renunciation.”  We are to come to this point, and just “turn everything” over to Him, and then renounce it all to His Kingdom.  In a sense, we back out–and give him the glory of the moment.

We really struggle with this.  There is a very definite issue of renouncing many different issues.  No matter what is decided, we are to be His, fully and specifically.  He brings us to this point, and we have to make a very definite realization to things that brings the “discipleship revelation.”  Simply, we must accept His work in us, even when He approaches us from point-blank range.

Early CCM Spotlight: Don Francisco

“The Steeple Song” was one of the best songs that framed out the CCM movement in a more definite direction.  Don Francisco became the master of the story– he would narrarate the word in popular songs.  This happened at the perfect time, as the church in the 1970s needed that approach.  You might say he was a Bible teacher who narrated his teaching with his wonderful guitar.

If (and when) we look back, Mr. Francisco will be a bright spot with his many songs.  This song, in particular calls it Churchianity when the habit of church life replaces actual Christianity.

There is one other song, “I Don’t Care Where You’ve Been Sleeping” written in 1977.  I’m giving you 2 for the price of 1 as I put his link down for you.  As you listen, I hope it will be a deep and solid blessing to your heart.

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To Give Beyond Giving

“Calling his followers to him, Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, this poor widow gave more than all those rich people.”

Mark 12:43, NCV


Heaven uses scales that earth knows nothing about.  Jesus calls out to His disciples, and they gather up close.  Life has a way of teaching us incredible things.  Circumstances usually make the best instructors.  These disciples did not need a didactic lecture.  They needed an authentic example of how of giving was processed through the economy of heaven.

The widow’s desperate poverty becomes the prime matrix of giving to the Father.  Her deposit was miniscule, hardly even enough for Jesus to even acknowledge.   Two pennies– laughable at best.  Many would give thousands more that day.  The widow gave everything she had.  The big ticket guys gave a very small precentage from their bank account.

The money box was a place of worship.  Let’s not forget that.  In our culture we have categorized everything into distinct units.  And the mindset we have means nothing ever blends or overlaps.  Our checkbook proves this as fact.

Jesus acknowledged what this very poor widow did.  Some stood close to money box, and they would evaluate the giving of each one.  The text tells us that many came “with large sums of money.”  But Jesus declared the “widow’s mite” to be supreme.  Her pathetic gift was of a utmost value.

Upside down.  The view of heaven has turned everything on it’s head.  Our first impression is almost always wrong.  This poor widow has been exalted to a place of example.  She now takes the spotlight as the model for us. Jesus makes her his Director of the Treasury for the KoG.  Two pathetic pennies!  And she becomes an astonishing pattern for us.

Early CCM Spotlight– Wendy & Mary, Again



“Welcome Home,” Just really felt I wanted to imprint these guys on to your heart.  There is value in letting music like this to saturate your heart.  I must tell you, seldom has there been a duo like this, with their acoustic guitars, robust lyrics and angelic voices.  I hope that YouTube will do them justice.


Early CCM- Spotlight on Wendy & Mary

“If I Could Love You Better”

One of the early and blessed CCM duets was Wendy & Mary.  They were together just 5-6  years but cranked out 5 or 6 albums.  Their music operated off of relatively simple melodies, but their lyrics were often quite piercing and evocative.  They very quickly became one of my personal favorites.

I chose this song, even though 3 or 4 could fit in this post quite adequately.  I only hope that this selection would inspire you, and give you hope.  If this connects with your heart, check out iTunes for more.  The early albums are very good and each song is solid and hopeful.  You can’t go wrong.

Early CCM- Spotlight on Nancy Honeytree



Another incredible blast from the past.  “Rattle Me, Shake Me.”  This is one of the best from one of CCMs greatest–Nancy Honeytree.  I think I can date this about 1974.

Of course, I hope that it blesses, and gives you another layer to our simple faith.  Honeytree was a definite force in the 70s, she ministered with a simplicity and wholeness that is a bit of an astringent to a fat and  jaded faith of her day.  I guess “freshness” would be the way I could describe her.  But you’ll quickly pick this up as you listen to her describe herself.  It is almost impossible to not like her music, and her “story.”

Honeytree is a jewel, she communicates musically on a different level.  Her lyrics are simple, but she has a momentum that carries her through walls of pride and conflict.  I hope that she blesses you deeply.

Early CCM: Spotlight on Evie


“Clean Before My Lord.”  This is a song by Evie, c. 1975.  It carries potent memories, as she was a major artist in Contemporary Christian Music.  This particular song, “Clean Before My Lord,”  is just coming out of the “Jesus Movement“, and it carries an innocence and a clarity that is rare today.

I sincerely hope it will penetrate your heart, and bless you in that tender place.  This is my very first attempt of music on Broken Believers.  If you like it, hate it or just indifferent to it, please let me know with the “comment” function below.  Thanks.


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